i don't think it was the best debate performance for president obama. i agree with you we'll have to see how the specifics on the substantive issues settle in as people reflect on them. but the first visceral reaction i had was that romney did himself some good in this debate. i'm strongly supporting president obama, and i think he is going to win, but i don't think this was his best night. >> cenk: governor grandholm? [ laughter ] >> jennifer: i'm sad to say that i agree, and i really really am sad to say that i agree, because i so wanted to be wrong about thinking that romney was going to come out swinging. i think the president -- he was right on facts, but there were opportunities that were missed. so the not saying -- not hitting back on the $716 billion was a missed opportunity. i know the fact checkers -- >> al gore: and romney said it five times. >> cenk: or six times. >> jennifer: and there was stuff about cayman islands that would have been mentioned. all of that. but if you look at what is happening on line the fact checkers -- there is style